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civil rights struggle and the south african struggle. act the work, he was jailed and stabbed, and killed at 39. mr. mandela struggling he was jailed for 27 years. and choosing reconciliation over retribution. so they both have that moral character about them. mr. obama, on the other hand, he was a benefactor. so he come as generation behind, but dr. kick, and mr. mandela, and and drink king were also trance forty figures. >> we just saw a picture of you, with one of my colleague morgan ratford who got the chance to meet nelson mandela for the first time. tell me about the man you knew? >> your know, i must say when i was in cape town south africa, my son and i met him at the door, and he immediately recognized me and called my name. i was just overwhelmed. he knew what was going on. he was alive and alert. he didn't just read the speech that day. he at was a great debate. every time we have a private conversation whether it's my office or my home, they always were overwhelmed by the and breadth of his concerning interest. he also did no
civil rights struggle and the south african struggle. act the work, he was jailed and stabbed, and killed at 39. mr. mandela struggling he was jailed for 27 years. and choosing reconciliation over retribution. so they both have that moral character about them. mr. obama, on the other hand, he was a benefactor. so he come as generation behind, but dr. kick, and mr. mandela, and and drink king were also trance forty figures. >> we just saw a picture of you, with one of my colleague morgan...
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the civil rights not just of people in south africa but around the world. sadly, that struggle still goes on. >> reporter: nelson mandela's death is front page news here in london. take a look at some of the headlines. here is the son, says president of the world. the london times" simply has a photograph of him gazing off into the distance. and then the daily mail with the headline "death of a colossus." many people in london waking up to these headlines, waking up to this news and they've come here to the south africa house to pay tribute. they've been coming steadily all day long. there's a two-hour line to sign a book of condolences. they're singing and playing songs and dancing in tribute to his life and legacy. so a real celebration here of any son mandela in london. suzanne and michael. >> erin mclaughlin. london was the scene of daily protests during the times of apartheid, too. permanent protests there in london. all right. well, the world lost an icon and the world likes to claim nelson mandela, but of course, he has a family. his family lost a hu
the civil rights not just of people in south africa but around the world. sadly, that struggle still goes on. >> reporter: nelson mandela's death is front page news here in london. take a look at some of the headlines. here is the son, says president of the world. the london times" simply has a photograph of him gazing off into the distance. and then the daily mail with the headline "death of a colossus." many people in london waking up to these headlines, waking up to this...
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mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he joined the african national congress in 1956. mandela was arrested with 155 other political activists and was changed with high treason. the treason trial lasted 4 1/2 years. the charges against him were ultimately dropped. mandela used a false identity to evade the government and traveled to europe and other countries in africa to built support for the anc and study guerilla warfare. when he returned to south africa in 1962, mandela was arrested and sentenced to years in prison. during his sentence, the government charmed mandela and other anc leaders with sabotage and attempting to violently overthrow the government. the winner of 1964, mandela and his colleagues were sentenced to in prison. mandela's brutal imprisonment helped win freedom for his nation. he represented hi
mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he joined the african national congress in 1956. mandela was arrested with 155 other political activists and was changed with high treason. the treason trial lasted 4 1/2 years. the charges against him...
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what's been the interplay between our civil rights movement and his struggle? >> the commitment, the dedication, the inspiration of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember it as a young student in nashville in 1962 and '63 and '64. we said if nelson mandela can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. and when i met him for the first time, he said to me, john lewis, i noknow all about you. i follow you. you inspire us. i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid leaders after sharpville, when they decided non-violence was not enough, they have been so committed to nonviolen
what's been the interplay between our civil rights movement and his struggle? >> the commitment, the dedication, the inspiration of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember it as a young student in nashville in 1962 and '63 and '64. we said if nelson mandela can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. and when i met him for the first time, he said to me, john lewis, i noknow all about you. i follow you. you inspire us. i said no, mr....
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. >> schieffer: did john lewis, one of the heroes of the american civil rights movement, mandela will always be the great teacher. >> nelson mandela, this one man, taught all of us how to live, how not to become bitter. someone who can go to priss son and stay all those years and come out so free. not hating anyone, not putting anyone down. i wish we had a few nelson mandelas in america, or maybe a few more in the world to point us to the best part of our human spirit. >> schieffer: there are many heroes who by a single act or decision have changed history or at least their time. to me what sets nelson mandela apart is that his whole life was a lesson. a lessen in courage, perseverance, patience, bravery and finally forgiveness and redemption. that is rare. over the next 40 years what's the healthiest and best way for them to grow so that they really become cauldrons of prosperity and cities of opportunity? what we have found is that if that family is moved into safe, clean affordable housing, places that have access to great school systems, access to jobs and multiple transportation
. >> schieffer: did john lewis, one of the heroes of the american civil rights movement, mandela will always be the great teacher. >> nelson mandela, this one man, taught all of us how to live, how not to become bitter. someone who can go to priss son and stay all those years and come out so free. not hating anyone, not putting anyone down. i wish we had a few nelson mandelas in america, or maybe a few more in the world to point us to the best part of our human spirit. >>...
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you were front and center as part of that movement, the civil rights movement here. you had that experience also in talking to him, the cross-fertilization of these freedom movements. >> yes, i think they fed off of each other. i think while the united states civil rights movement came of age and its victory much earlier than the apartheid struggle, they were very much alike. i think that's what enabled me, i think, to have the success to the extent i did to have it. i didn't go as a journalist going in an objective way, i was informed by the experiences we had in the south and in the united states. so when i got there, i understand. there were significant differences. in south africa the majority were the black people and they had been suppressed by a minority, unlike in the united states. still the struggles were similar. i think each learned from the other. the african national congress, almost as old as the naacp, many of the things they adopted came from our struggle and we learned from them. so i can understand what john was saying. certainly for south african
you were front and center as part of that movement, the civil rights movement here. you had that experience also in talking to him, the cross-fertilization of these freedom movements. >> yes, i think they fed off of each other. i think while the united states civil rights movement came of age and its victory much earlier than the apartheid struggle, they were very much alike. i think that's what enabled me, i think, to have the success to the extent i did to have it. i didn't go as a...
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he wanted to know, wait, how did a minority in the united states achieve civil rights? we ended up talking about, and he's fascinating with the founding fathers. the idea that george washington gives up power one term. something mandela later does. but also citizenship. the whole idea that you have rights in the united states. remember, blacks in south africa had none of that. in a sense, we were inspiring too nelson mandela. >> i'm certain of that. was there anything when you sat down with him that really surpriseded you? i'm sure you prepared ahead of time and researched them and got to know the man through what you were able to read and hear from other personal anecdotes. what did you take away from it? >> i think the thing that surprised me the most is i was saying, you know, mr. mandela, you are a beacon to the world in terms of freedom, struggle, the sacrifice, the 27 years in jail, standing up for principle. he started laugh. he didn't laugh easily. i was taken aback. like maybe he's not understanding this american guy. he said no, it's just when he was growing u
he wanted to know, wait, how did a minority in the united states achieve civil rights? we ended up talking about, and he's fascinating with the founding fathers. the idea that george washington gives up power one term. something mandela later does. but also citizenship. the whole idea that you have rights in the united states. remember, blacks in south africa had none of that. in a sense, we were inspiring too nelson mandela. >> i'm certain of that. was there anything when you sat down...
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what happened in this country was our civil rights movement became integrated, he was sentenced in '62. that was just right after the freedom rides. it was just before we went into birmingham. and while we were in birmingham, i think somewhere around there the sharpville killings occurred. and so our movements moved in parallel. i first went with arthur ash in 1974. and when we came back, we came back determined that i was in the congress then. that we were going to start the process of sanctions. it was interesting to me that we couldn't get a lot of middle ground democrats to lead. we got the black caucus but i had to get actually newt gingrich and former secretary -- oh, i'm having a senior moment. >> that's okay. >> two republicans that first came on the list. and then we got this. then it was voted and then it was vetoed and then a movement started but all of the time there was some also movement going in africa, led largely by nigeria and tanzania, putting pressure on the commonwealth. this didn't happen just because nelson mandela became a saint in prison. it happened because of
what happened in this country was our civil rights movement became integrated, he was sentenced in '62. that was just right after the freedom rides. it was just before we went into birmingham. and while we were in birmingham, i think somewhere around there the sharpville killings occurred. and so our movements moved in parallel. i first went with arthur ash in 1974. and when we came back, we came back determined that i was in the congress then. that we were going to start the process of...
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we have learn ed from the president of south africa that the civil rights icon nelson mandela died a short time ago at the age of 95. mandela was the first black president of south africa and an enduring icon of the struggle against racial opposition. he died according to the announcement of the governor leaving the nation without the moral center at a time of growing dissatisfaction with the country's leaders. those words lead the new york sometimes article that came out moments ago. mr. mandela spent 27 years in prison after being convicted of treason. by negotiating with captors after his release in 1990, mandela led the african national congress long a banned liberation movement to an lek to recall victory in 1994, first fully democratic election in that country's history. the new york times goes on, mandela served one term as the president and had not been seen in public since the year 2010 when the nation hosted the world cup soccer tournament. decades in prison and insist ens on forgiveness made him a potent symbol of the struggle to end the country's domination and power of p
we have learn ed from the president of south africa that the civil rights icon nelson mandela died a short time ago at the age of 95. mandela was the first black president of south africa and an enduring icon of the struggle against racial opposition. he died according to the announcement of the governor leaving the nation without the moral center at a time of growing dissatisfaction with the country's leaders. those words lead the new york sometimes article that came out moments ago. mr....
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the president and iconic champion of civil rights died thursday age 95 after years of illness. he was at his home in johannesburg surrounded by family. south african president jacob zuma said our nation has lost its greatest son. our people have lost a father. mandela's hospital has been moved. this is the scene right outside mandela's home there in johannesburg in the out market neighborhood. you can see right now people are laying flowers and to bring tribute to the man widely seen as the father of modern south africa. he was president for five years. he stepped down, has not been president for 14 years but remains very much in the heart of so many people there. this news came later than night south african time and so right now as this country wakes up, 34 minutes past 8:00, many people are learning nelson mandela is at rest. >> and, of course, mandela accomplished so many great things. he was the father of a nation. he led south africa through its battle against oppression and on to democracy and it kept him away from home. he also stayed very close to his family as we've m
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. ♪ >>> this morning, the world wakes to the news that a joint of human and civil rights is gone. nelson mandela, a guiding force, reve revered, forever changing history. >> recognize that apartheid has no future. >> he spent nearly three decades in prison, emerging to become the first black president of south africa. a father figure to his people. and to millions around the world. this morning, new reaction from every corner of the world. >> i cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. >> right now on "america this morning," abc news remembers
. ♪ >>> this morning, the world wakes to the news that a joint of human and civil rights is gone. nelson mandela, a guiding force, reve revered, forever changing history. >> recognize that apartheid has no future. >> he spent nearly three decades in prison, emerging to become the first black president of south africa. a father figure to his people. and to millions around the world. this morning, new reaction from every corner of the world. >> i cannot fully imagine...
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the disabled people of america are fighting hard for our civil rights. nelson mandela has done a lot of work things considered for things like slavery. we have a topic similar. you are not entitled to the minimum wage here in america. we are specifically exempt. we are so inspired by the work of nelson mandela, we try to continue in that legacy. we want to make it so that our people, our disabled people, are no longer trapped in these workshops. host: why the blind exempt from the minimum wage? caller: the fair labor standards act of 1938 specifically exempts us. the idea is that disabled people are supposed to be inherently less productive. we are less than people. there are a lot of explanations. some people think they are doing by employing disabled people at a penny an our. it is exploiting us. whenever go on to real productive life. we are pushing hard to try to get that change. we want to be able to earn minimum wage for our work, or not work at all. disabled people have the the cassidy to be -- have the thatity to make the change nelson mandela ma
the disabled people of america are fighting hard for our civil rights. nelson mandela has done a lot of work things considered for things like slavery. we have a topic similar. you are not entitled to the minimum wage here in america. we are specifically exempt. we are so inspired by the work of nelson mandela, we try to continue in that legacy. we want to make it so that our people, our disabled people, are no longer trapped in these workshops. host: why the blind exempt from the minimum wage?...
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you know it turned out he had read a book i had written about the american civil rights era. while most journalists were turned away, turned out he wanted to meet me. i was invited into his home to help him write notes to world leaders who were all congratulating him upon his release from prison. i wrote notes and thank you notes like hope to see you soon, great to be out. silly things like that. i got to sit with him as he was seeing grandchildren, meeting old friends, having home cooked foods. incredible experience. at one point he was asking me about america. i said mr. mandela everyone is so fascinated by you and the fact you have not let bitterness claim your heart that you believe in all of south africa, black, white, colored, indian, everybody. he was saying you know, this was not what he hoped for as a child. when he initially just wanted to be a poet, loved boxing, fascinated by mike tyson back in the days when he was getting out of prison, mohammed ali. the fact he became a lawyer was just amazing to him. he never expected he would become the face of the freedom fig
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there was legislation introduced by civil rights leader, john lewis acknowledging, u.s. acknowledgement of mandela international day and senators that showed up when they screamed mandela long walk to freedom, a documentary. congress was, indeed, ratcheting up the honors of mandela as his health failed. at the live desk, i'm scott macfarlane. >> thank you. we are joined by former senator, chris dodd of connecticut. you neuman della personally. what are your thoughts on his passing this evening? >> i met him a number of times. i don't want to sound like it was more intimate than it was. i was on the senate foreign relations committee years ago when we took strong positions and opposition to south africa along with senator kennedy and many others who led the fight of john lewis and the house. there were so many people involved. the united states almost stood away with the boycott until policies changed. many thoughts come to mind in a moment like this. one thing occurred to me. i have been asked over the years. in the past, i spoke at every high school in connecticut in 30
there was legislation introduced by civil rights leader, john lewis acknowledging, u.s. acknowledgement of mandela international day and senators that showed up when they screamed mandela long walk to freedom, a documentary. congress was, indeed, ratcheting up the honors of mandela as his health failed. at the live desk, i'm scott macfarlane. >> thank you. we are joined by former senator, chris dodd of connecticut. you neuman della personally. what are your thoughts on his passing this...
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a memorial service for the civil rights icon and former south african president begins as we've been saying in less than an hour. just a little over 30 minutes. prime ministers, presidents, celebrities and thousands of south africans are gathering right now. >> u.s. president barack obama landed in johannesburg a short time ago along with his wife michelle and a delegation that includes his predecessor george w. bush. >> who is stepping off right behind president obama there and prime minister david cameron arriving there in south africa to attend observances and former south african president f.w. de klerk is there. he shared the nobel peace prize with mandela in 1993. >> okay. mandela spent 27 punishing years behind bars for his struggle against apartheid. but when he was finally released from prison he strove for forgiveness and unity. >> from mandela's close associate to admirers who stood in long lines to shake his hand, many people carry very special memories of him. >> we'd like to bring you now some mandela remembrances from people who gathered to pay him tribute outside lond
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this was after the major civil rights movement and after the vietnam war movement, college campuses in the 80s erupted over the apartheid movement. the administration of ronald reagan finally was the first veto override on foreign policy. it was rejected and taken over as jim baker said on "morning joe." taken over by congress. >> why do you think the world was slow when it came to dealing with south africa? >> i have to say that we in the media are partly to blame. we didn't focus that much on what was going on in south africa. until it just became impossible to ignore. when i went the first time in 1985, it was actually the first time that we focused on the people of south africa. both the black and the white and what the human beings of the country were thinking. why the white people thought they were superior to the blacks and did they ever see an end to that thinking? how the blacks were struggling on every level, not just in the streets, but offices where many of them worked. it was initially focusing on the overall idea of those who are fighting against oppression and those who
this was after the major civil rights movement and after the vietnam war movement, college campuses in the 80s erupted over the apartheid movement. the administration of ronald reagan finally was the first veto override on foreign policy. it was rejected and taken over as jim baker said on "morning joe." taken over by congress. >> why do you think the world was slow when it came to dealing with south africa? >> i have to say that we in the media are partly to blame. we...
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and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the best things you could say about someone. take a listen. >> posted my statement on her facebook page and was amazed at some of the intensity, some of whom came back three and four and five times, repeating how angry they were. so i wrote my newsletter on friday, basically entitled it, "what would you have done." >> and he goes on to talk about what the legacy of mandela is being a revolutionary and freedom fighter and also a patriot. how do you looking at this now, national/international conversation, how do you think we're doing in remembering our history accurately with apartheid as a foreign policy
and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the...
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he stood for the civil rights, not just people in south africa but people around the world and his legacy goes on. >> reporter: people here continuing to leave notes. one of them read, thank you for creating a pathway to freedom for all of us, a message that is being heard here and in other countries as well. michaela? >> very moving indeed. erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. >> the tributes are pouring in from all over the world this morning. president obama had some very, very poignant words to honor the late president of south africa. he actually invoked words that were used at president lincoln's funeral. >> he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. through his fierce dignity and bending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, madiba transformed south africa and moved all of us. his journey from a prisoner to a president embodied the presence that human beings and countries can change for the better. his commitment to transfer pour and reconcile for those who jailed him set an example that all humanity took inspire to whether the lives of nations or ou
he stood for the civil rights, not just people in south africa but people around the world and his legacy goes on. >> reporter: people here continuing to leave notes. one of them read, thank you for creating a pathway to freedom for all of us, a message that is being heard here and in other countries as well. michaela? >> very moving indeed. erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. >> the tributes are pouring in from all over the world this morning. president obama had some very,...
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certainly in the civil encounters with president mandela in one capacity, and with mr. mandela post-presidency in other capacities, not only was his sense of humor telling, but so was the self-deprecating use to which he put that humour, lest there was any thought that a political halo could be bestowed upon him. he certainly did not want that, and he would not want that to be part of his legacy today. i mention humor because my first introduction to nelson mandela was far from fortuitous. he was then president, and enormous numbers of parliamentarians had somehow all descended on south africa at the same time. they had come from new zealand, australia, here, ireland, france all on fact-finding missions. it was interesting that these fact-finding missions all coincided with the rugby world cup that was taking place in south africa. given that there were more visiting foreign politicians in the country than even visiting foreign rugby players, the president held a great gala reception. the leader of our delegation, my friend rupert redesdale, liberal democrat hereditary
certainly in the civil encounters with president mandela in one capacity, and with mr. mandela post-presidency in other capacities, not only was his sense of humor telling, but so was the self-deprecating use to which he put that humour, lest there was any thought that a political halo could be bestowed upon him. he certainly did not want that, and he would not want that to be part of his legacy today. i mention humor because my first introduction to nelson mandela was far from fortuitous. he...
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and when i told him, trying to get something between the two of us that i came out of the civil rights movement the first thing hi said to me, oh, did you know miss maya angelo? i couldn't wait to get back to america and tell maya. >> charlayne, thank you very much for being with us tonight and helping us to remember as we said, reaction to the news of mandela's death pouring in from around the globe. chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell tracking all of it tonight from our washington bureau. and andrea, what a public life. >> what a public life. and the measure of the man, the measure of his influence. his life. is how the world reacted tonight. he transformed his world and ours inspiring millions including presidents and future kings. tweeting a favorite picture of bill clinton wrote, i'll never forget my friend. using the affectionate name by which he was known to his followers. prince william and his wife, duchess of cambridge, were at the film, "long walk to freedom." >> tragic news. we're reminded of what an extraordinary and inspiring man nelson mandela was and my
and when i told him, trying to get something between the two of us that i came out of the civil rights movement the first thing hi said to me, oh, did you know miss maya angelo? i couldn't wait to get back to america and tell maya. >> charlayne, thank you very much for being with us tonight and helping us to remember as we said, reaction to the news of mandela's death pouring in from around the globe. chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell tracking all of it tonight from our...
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rights around the world. fellow south africans, you know, nelson mandela brought them together as well. he had been in and out of the hospital for months. in june, he was admitted to a facility for a lung infection. we'll be here all evening long. people are coming here. in fact, a man, moments ago, dropped off flowers here. he just stood. he didn't say anything. he stood, looked at the statue and calmly walked away. live here on massachusetts avenue, outside the south african embassy, i'm shomari stone, news 4. >> thank you. >> we heard the little girl mention his family. he is survived by a wife, three of his children and a couple dozen grandchildren and great grandchildren. >> they were by his bedside late this afternoon. >> we have been seeing the live pictures of nelson mandela's statue this evening. tom sherwood was there when the statue was unveiled this past september. it's a shame to see the fence and the barbed wire. >> i hope it will move some of the reconstruction, the embassy is being rebuilt. if
rights around the world. fellow south africans, you know, nelson mandela brought them together as well. he had been in and out of the hospital for months. in june, he was admitted to a facility for a lung infection. we'll be here all evening long. people are coming here. in fact, a man, moments ago, dropped off flowers here. he just stood. he didn't say anything. he stood, looked at the statue and calmly walked away. live here on massachusetts avenue, outside the south african embassy, i'm...
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. >>> joining me now, civil rights leader and president of the rainbow push coalition, reverend jesse jackson. awfully glad to speak with you. you listened to president clinton. do you agree he belongs in the statues of history with gandhi, martin luther king jr. if not maybe at the top of the list? >> external persecution and the wil will, dignity. they were driven by their suffering. you define them by what they did with the pain. that is to say when mr. mandela chose to use his pain for transformation. to use his pain for reconciliation, revenge or retaliation it took him to different level. >> what was it like to be in the same room as he was. oftentimes there are leaders -- and i will say this is applied to you as well. there are some people you think they take up all the energy because there's something about them. he must have had that as well. >> well, he did have a personal magnetism. i remember the first sunday he came out of jail in cape town at south africa at city hall. he walked in the room. having been in jail for 27 years, so aware and so alert. we embraced. he recogni
. >>> joining me now, civil rights leader and president of the rainbow push coalition, reverend jesse jackson. awfully glad to speak with you. you listened to president clinton. do you agree he belongs in the statues of history with gandhi, martin luther king jr. if not maybe at the top of the list? >> external persecution and the wil will, dignity. they were driven by their suffering. you define them by what they did with the pain. that is to say when mr. mandela chose to use...
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donna, donna brazile is here, nelson mandela, the civil rights movement in the united states, what was going on in south africa, you and i are old enough to remember those days, the role and as christiane accurately points out, that all of us played in trying to move south africa in a better direction. you remember those days very vividly. >> well, the apartheid regime was a brutal regime. it was a violent regime. and the goal of folks in america, especially young people, was to educate, was to mobilize and to get more sanctions, to get corporations doing business in south africa to put pressure on the south african government. clearly it worked, because after years and years of struggle, finally in 1990, we broke the apartheid regime but it was a long and brutal struggle. >> here's a picture, take a look at this. >>> give us the background of that photo. >> mr. mandela came to the understand to attend the clinton inaugural. he was very close for the clinton family. in fact the clintons visited the mandelas early this year and last year, and when secretary of state clinton visited sout
donna, donna brazile is here, nelson mandela, the civil rights movement in the united states, what was going on in south africa, you and i are old enough to remember those days, the role and as christiane accurately points out, that all of us played in trying to move south africa in a better direction. you remember those days very vividly. >> well, the apartheid regime was a brutal regime. it was a violent regime. and the goal of folks in america, especially young people, was to educate,...
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rights movement in the south. he said oh, do you know maya angelou? she meant so much to me, reading her in prison. you were in his heart and mind all those years. >> he told charlene gault that people had been slipping my books into him all the years. i spoke with one journalist who said, can you imagine being in the hell hole of a south african prison reading the caged bird. >> this means so much to us. i know you've been through a lot in the last days. we just want to say thank you for recollections, thank you for your poetry, and thank you for being with us today. >> thank you miss mitchell. i admire. i watch you with great gratitude and appreciation. >> that is an enormous honor. >> that you very much for your own gentleness. you report on some hellish situations around the world but i never hear the hell in your voice. thank you. >> thank you for that. very much so. >> thank you. >> good-bye to you. coming up next, nelson mandela's leadership, his legacy. but first "nbc nightly news" anchor brian williams sa
rights movement in the south. he said oh, do you know maya angelou? she meant so much to me, reading her in prison. you were in his heart and mind all those years. >> he told charlene gault that people had been slipping my books into him all the years. i spoke with one journalist who said, can you imagine being in the hell hole of a south african prison reading the caged bird. >> this means so much to us. i know you've been through a lot in the last days. we just want to say thank...
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rights leader said when he said, we may have arrived on these shores in different ships, but we're all in the same boat now. what's going on in this town is that too often, the two political parties, you would think they were from different countries. they view the other side as the enemy, not as foul citizens. we have interests in common. we've got to reconcile our differences, not accentuate them. we forget we come from a common country with a common heritage, and for sure a common destiny. final thing i would say, and this is something that no labels is working to overcome, in this city today what all of you have to do every session in your state legislatures, forge principle compromised. the word cover my switchback in the day my father son used to be viewed as that's an act of statesmanship. today it is used as an act of betrayal. if you don't vote with your party, joe manchin was saying, 100% of the time, you are ostracized. there's something wrong with you. you can see this on cable tv. so i'll just finish by recounting some words that lyndon johnson who was a master legislature
rights leader said when he said, we may have arrived on these shores in different ships, but we're all in the same boat now. what's going on in this town is that too often, the two political parties, you would think they were from different countries. they view the other side as the enemy, not as foul citizens. we have interests in common. we've got to reconcile our differences, not accentuate them. we forget we come from a common country with a common heritage, and for sure a common destiny....
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the country was potentially on the brink of civil war. >> reporter: the violence peaks on easter sunday 1993 when a high-ranking anc member is shot outside his home by a white right-wing polish immigrant. >> there was uproar in the country. riots. >> reporter: the country finds itself in a moment of crisis. de klerk and the government are unable to keep the peace. there was only one man who could pull the nation back from the abyss. mandela addresses the country on national television. >> tonight why i'm reaching out to every single south african, black and white, now is the time for all south africans to stand together. >> only he could control the country in a crisis. and effectively, he was president from then on. de klerk was eclipsed. >> reporter: negotiations proceed, building towards a momentous event. >> the first time they were called for dignity was on the 7th of april, 1994. >> reporter: for the first time in its almost 400-year history, south africans from all races will be allowed to vote. >> april 27th arrived with a huge question mark, whether the elections will be held i
the country was potentially on the brink of civil war. >> reporter: the violence peaks on easter sunday 1993 when a high-ranking anc member is shot outside his home by a white right-wing polish immigrant. >> there was uproar in the country. riots. >> reporter: the country finds itself in a moment of crisis. de klerk and the government are unable to keep the peace. there was only one man who could pull the nation back from the abyss. mandela addresses the country on national...
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>> all right, i know fort sumter was the civil war, and the alamo was somewhere down in texas, and texas wasn't around during the revolutionary war, i don't think, so the burning of washington and the boston massacre. name that shifts the blame. all right, i'm gonna go with... jumping the question 'cause i'm not sure. >> it's my boo. >> [laughter] >> you gonna hit me with my whole move. i was all like, "what are you gonna do? oh, you gonna jump the question." so you jumped over. not really sure, decided to jump over it. >> not really sure, yeah. >> all right, it is now out of play. you thinkin' it was possibly "b," 'cause that's the one you would have, if you would have guessed. >> yes, if i would have guessed. >> what is the correct answer? it is indeed "b," the boston massacre. again, it's double money week. hopefully this money is small. what'd she jump over? oh, well, jumped over $1,000. that's all right. when we come back, clarice is going for her double money question. millionaire in just a second. it's so much more than coffee. brew the love. keurig. on the table by not choosing t
>> all right, i know fort sumter was the civil war, and the alamo was somewhere down in texas, and texas wasn't around during the revolutionary war, i don't think, so the burning of washington and the boston massacre. name that shifts the blame. all right, i'm gonna go with... jumping the question 'cause i'm not sure. >> it's my boo. >> [laughter] >> you gonna hit me with my whole move. i was all like, "what are you gonna do? oh, you gonna jump the question."...
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of the security force, his name was -- i'm sure i'm not pronouncing it right. he was going to instigate a civil war as a way to forget this, you know, effort to dismantle apartheid. mandela got wind of it so the story goes, invited this man to his house, asked him he would like tea and he bought him tea. asked him if he wanted milk. he poured him milk. asked him if he want sugar and put the sugar in and stirred it. this is a man who was going to instigate civil war. already violence oversouth africa. streamists and whites. it was just a disaster. people say the fact the election went off at all in '94 was a miracle. mandela disarmed this man by having him over for tea. he left. no civil war, mr. mandela. >> we have spoken about how mandela learned the language of the oppressor and got into the mind of how africaners think and said with you may win the battle but not the war. look back at your history. >> a sense he learned it when he was a boy in those rural hills. he used to stick fight with his friend. there is a story about how in those stick fighting games
of the security force, his name was -- i'm sure i'm not pronouncing it right. he was going to instigate a civil war as a way to forget this, you know, effort to dismantle apartheid. mandela got wind of it so the story goes, invited this man to his house, asked him he would like tea and he bought him tea. asked him if he wanted milk. he poured him milk. asked him if he want sugar and put the sugar in and stirred it. this is a man who was going to instigate civil war. already violence oversouth...
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my next guest has personal connections to the civil rights icon. he was an anti-apartheid activist and every week for almost 30 years he went behind the prison walls to visit the man who would become south africa's first black president. cedric, thanks for joining us. share with our viewers some of the memories that you have, memories of your cousin, the support you gave him during the decades that he spent behind bars. >> well, thank you, wolf. i followed madiba, nelson mandela's life from the early '60s when i was a student at the university. and actually, i want to turn first to another relative, my uncle, harold hanson was a prominent trial lawyer in south africa and part of mandela's team at the trial of the -- the trials. and he actually gave the plea bargain to mitigate sentence. and then mandela's book, "long walk to freedom," he talks about how harold hanson actually got him to change his final statement, which is now so iconic, to tone it down perhaps. and he reminded the judge, hanson did, that the africans had their own violent struggle
my next guest has personal connections to the civil rights icon. he was an anti-apartheid activist and every week for almost 30 years he went behind the prison walls to visit the man who would become south africa's first black president. cedric, thanks for joining us. share with our viewers some of the memories that you have, memories of your cousin, the support you gave him during the decades that he spent behind bars. >> well, thank you, wolf. i followed madiba, nelson mandela's life...
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meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. as promised he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> be south africa has been a despottic state throughout almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela is one of the best and optimistic qualities that he has to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man who has done his duty on earth. >> here with us now, a giant of civil rights. you got a chance to interview president mandela in february of 1990 after he came out of prison after 27 years. how did you finds him? how had he changed? >> i didn't know him before he went to prison so i'm not sure how he had changed. but he was warm. but a little bit distant. as you can remember when he went to distant there weren't any journalists up in his face, there wasn't any television that he had appeared on a lot of times, you know, to get used to it. he was just a little bit reserved. s
meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. as promised he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> be south africa has been a despottic state throughout almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela is one of the best and optimistic qualities that he has to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man who has done...
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so without that 1965 voting rights act, which is a direct product of the civil rights movement, mr. obama's presidency does not exist. they're bound together by that same issue and the activism that was required in order to make -- >> that's a good point. >> in addition to the comparisons between the two of them, which is important, i think the other remarkable thing is the thread of liberty that connects them across space and time. the abolitionist improvement inspired thorough who inspired gandhi who inspired mandela. it's remarkable to see this thread of liberty that really comes full circle in the life of mandela and how he relates to barack obama. >> joshua, what if anything do we know about nelson mandela's faith? was he a spiritual man? >> he was a spiritual man. he was a christian. and that was sort of a motivating part of his life. and there's been a fair amount written on that, especially over the last few days. but i think he really saw his faith as a motivating force for his work in the public square, not just as something he keeps inside his own soul but something that
so without that 1965 voting rights act, which is a direct product of the civil rights movement, mr. obama's presidency does not exist. they're bound together by that same issue and the activism that was required in order to make -- >> that's a good point. >> in addition to the comparisons between the two of them, which is important, i think the other remarkable thing is the thread of liberty that connects them across space and time. the abolitionist improvement inspired thorough who...
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and you wanted to take issue with this idea of a civil war, right, in your mind, proud south african, black south african, there was a moment when you are here to raise your hand and say there was a civil war in our country, explain that. >> well, i mean, when you think of the amount of blood that was shed for our freedom, then one redefines what civil war is. it was never declared a civil war but there was a fight with the ordinary person the street and the government, with the government using war equipment, those huge machinery they would drive with into the black township, run over houses, flatten houses, shoot at people and unleash violence against people. i was a student at the university and they would come and vicious dogs in the hold they were holding. >> you saw this. >> i saw it, i witnessed it. >> you were there. >> i have scars of it from all those and there was civil war in south africa and i smelled tear gas and if there was though war why would you smell tear gas, i smelled tear gas and we lost people and people were locked up and people locked the country and i had nu
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rights in the united states and around the world. and nelson mandela told cnn veteran bernie shaw how he wanted to be remembered after his death. bernie is here. we'll bring you some of that very emotional interview just before nelson mandela was sworn in as president. >> i, nelson mandela, do hereby swear to be faithful to the republic of south africa and do solemnly and sincerely promise at all times to promote that which will advance and to oppose all that may harm the republic. i don't just make things for a living i take pride in them. so when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis was also on display, i'd had it. i finally had a serious talk with my dermatologist. this time, he prescribed humira-adalimumab. humira helps to clear the surface of my skin by actually working inside my body. in clinical trials, most adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority of people were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tubercu
rights in the united states and around the world. and nelson mandela told cnn veteran bernie shaw how he wanted to be remembered after his death. bernie is here. we'll bring you some of that very emotional interview just before nelson mandela was sworn in as president. >> i, nelson mandela, do hereby swear to be faithful to the republic of south africa and do solemnly and sincerely promise at all times to promote that which will advance and to oppose all that may harm the republic. i...
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these are all civil wars. they all had different causes but there was absolutely no reason why south africa wasn't going to go that way. i mean there was nothing inevitable about the way it came or turned out. and i think he's personal leadership, his personal skill, as a politician was really what did, what made the difference. i mean during those years before he became president, when he was negotiating with the white government, he was having to juggle not only extreme whites who wanted to kill him, but moderate whites who wanted to negotiate with him and then on the anc side there were extreme blacks who wanted can carry on the armed struggle and moderate blacks. his party was driven with factions as well and it was only his own, what i think was the difference between the way south africa went and the way other countries went was his own personal leadership skills. jon: yeah and amazing that he developed those skills in the way he did because most politicians kind of learn a little bit at time on the job,
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"new york daily news," a coalition of high-end retailers and civil rights leaders agreed on a bill of rights to protect customers from so-called shop and frisk practices. the agreement comes six weeks after a series of racial profiling allegations from black shopper who is say they were targeted for buying expensive luxury items. executives from barney's, macy's, saks, bergdorf goodman and lord & taylor signed onto the deal. reverend al, you were part of it. you were on the front page today. >> i think it's the beginning to get the major retailers to acknowledge there's a problem. we have a long way to go and they still have to deal with these cases. but the acknowledgment of it i think is a good start and we intend to monitor and keep moving forward. >> i like it. thank you for your work on that. "the new york times," nsa documents leaked by edward snowden reveal american and british spy agencies sent undercover agents into the world of online gaming. they believe terrorists could use fantasy games like world of war craft to secretly communicate and plot attacks. spies would create f
"new york daily news," a coalition of high-end retailers and civil rights leaders agreed on a bill of rights to protect customers from so-called shop and frisk practices. the agreement comes six weeks after a series of racial profiling allegations from black shopper who is say they were targeted for buying expensive luxury items. executives from barney's, macy's, saks, bergdorf goodman and lord & taylor signed onto the deal. reverend al, you were part of it. you were on the front...
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fascinated by the american civil rights movement. martha: i think that is such an important point that you make about him and he was, he was sort of regal. he had a very regal bearing and yet he was humble which is such a great combination. >> awesome. i was remembering that when he came to the 50th anniversary of the united nations opening in new york, all the world leaders were around obviously and yet somehow mandela stood out as a leader among leaders because they all flocked to him. they all wanted photos with him shaking hands. i got to go over, i was like, it was unbelievable that the world leaders were almost like, tell us your secret. how did you do this? martha: yeah. and think one of the secrets was that he put everything before himself and that he was such a strong man and who was able to be, you know, in the face of that moment, was able to bring people together, much the way abraham lincoln did during the civil war period in the united states, to wrench the two sides back together for belief in a greater nation. >> wow,
fascinated by the american civil rights movement. martha: i think that is such an important point that you make about him and he was, he was sort of regal. he had a very regal bearing and yet he was humble which is such a great combination. >> awesome. i was remembering that when he came to the 50th anniversary of the united nations opening in new york, all the world leaders were around obviously and yet somehow mandela stood out as a leader among leaders because they all flocked to him....
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daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. >> health care manufacturer johnson & johnson will pay to sell civil allegations. >> i expect this from you, johnson, but not you, johnson. to be honest, i have not trusted johnson & johnson since i tried to stop my child's crying with the no more tears shampoo in his eyes. did not work. >> the 113th hasn't passed the bills every congress does like a highway bill or defense bill or farm bill or a budget. what do we need a budget for? clearly not for highways, defense, or food. congress did pass a bill ensuring that people can fish near dams on the cumberland river and also passed deep cuts in food stamps if are the poor which is good solid governing because the poor don't need food stamps anymore now that they can fish near dams on the coupler withland river. >> time to talk about what we learned. we learned a lot. i learned you can catch a munch kin in your mouth if it is delivered right. >> it's not good. really bad in my case. we have a champion. is donut hole capture in chief. >> he's good at it. >> it should surprise no one. not just because he lo
daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. >> health care manufacturer johnson & johnson will pay to sell civil allegations. >> i expect this from you, johnson, but not you, johnson. to be honest, i have not trusted johnson & johnson since i tried to stop my child's crying with the no more tears shampoo in his eyes. did not work. >> the 113th hasn't passed the bills every congress does like a highway bill or defense bill or farm bill or a budget. what do we need a budget...